Monavie and the FDA/BBB

[surferdude]

Originally Posted by B of VA

Have you ever spilled Monavie on your clothes. It washes out. That is pigments, not dye. PH wants you to think they are dyeing the product. The secret of health is in the colorful foods. I've always said that. Also seeds, and there are seeds in Monavie (not acai seeds, but others).

I got splashed with a drop of Monavie on the lapel of a white shirt and had to throw it out because the stain wouldn't come out after 3 washes. Must be the hrad water where I live.

[B of VA]

I'm going to make a guess here. Was Limu making the claims? I know that in the case of Sea Silver the websites were using the Sea Silver logo and making the claims so Sea Silver was responsible. And those websites were all over the place, many very happy people sharing their stories. If the Limu company was making the claims then their leaders were definitely responsible. Monavie has a set of approved claims. And they control their logo as much as possible. If you find any violations let compliance@monavie.com know.

It will be hard to stop people from sharing their personal stories. Speak up if you hear it. The leaders know to not make claims but individuals do get excited. The company will remove people from distributorships if necessary. They have removed one from my organization.

About Juice Plus, as I said I was not attracted to it but I do know a 66 year old gorgeous woman in charge of recruitment at the YMCA here (we have an excellent one) and she has used it for years and swears by it. I still am not interested in it. Monavie is perfect for me.

[surferdude]

Originally Posted by B of VA

Monavie has a set of approved claims. And they control their logo as much as possible. If you find any violations let compliance@monavie.com know.

Originally Posted by B of VA

It will be hard to stop people from sharing their personal stories. Speak up if you hear it. The leaders know to not make claims but individuals do get excited. The company will remove people from distributorships if necessary. They have removed one from my organization.

Im between a rock and hard place on this B. No one in our gym ever claims anything about Monavie and diseses, but at every meeting Ive been too, there were people making theose claims, and a lot of the time it was coming from high rank distributors. I dont know if its because they are just excited like you say but it worries me. Im getting a nice monthly check without having to work at it very hard and I don’t want the biz to go the way of Sea Sliver and Limu. Im not making claims so why should my paycheck be threatend just because some of the others wont play fair. It looks like there are some people out there who have a vendeta for Monavie, so if some distributors are making claims about diseases, the haters might be able to cause trouble for all of us.

So now it falls on me to have to report other distributors to Monavie compliance? I don’t want to be a rat. So I have the choice of playing fair myself but watching other people make claims that can kill the business or I have to become a stoolie. Whats the right thing to do?

[B of VA]

Actually I was meaning speak up. If you find websites that are not in compliance then contact Monavie. Any with websites are supposed to get them approved first anyway. Or contact the webmaster.

I would never want any reported to compliance if other steps had not been taken first. Maybe at those meetings stand up and speak about this, about the fact that people sharing their experiences have to do it without stating dis-eases or pharms. If they are sleeping better or feeling better or having more energy or breathing better or eliminating better, they can do this without mentioning the original condition. People are very happy at Monavie meetings. That is enough of a testimonial. Most everyone feels better on some level.


I'm pleased that your gym is into Monavie.

[surferdude]

That makes sense but I haven’t found any websites that are making the disease claims. Mind you I haven’t really looked and dont ever plan to. What Im saying is that the uplines and dimonds are saying this stuff in person, the people that are teaching other distribs how to sell the juice. I cant tell them to stop and besides theyd probably totally freak out at me if I did. I dont really get that involved in details at the meetings. I have a bit of a name in town so they like to have me come to tastings so they can say to everyone that a successful athelete is in the biz. No problem there. They bascially built my donwline for me and they handle the biz side of things for me. I don’t have to do much other than go to meetings now and then and collect some checks. I aint gonna rock the boat cuz I like the extra cash but its been sliding and people are dropping out and getting harder to signup new ones. Some of the prospects weve tried to sign up at the gym got downright angry when the juice was mentioned…spouting off about articles and research and foaming at the mouth that it’s a ripoff, fake cancer cure, a pyramid, Dallin Larsen's a crook, etc. An long time member threatened to quit the gym unless the Monavie display was moved off the reception desk and so the boss moved it. We also had a GP and his wife at one tasting and the next day she totally went off on us about it. Even I roll my eyes when I hear people at meetings talking about diabetes and cancer and things like that. That is the stuff I don’t want dogging me. Its good juice but aint gonna cure anything. We sell it for atheletes as a good nutritious antioxidant juice but a lot of people in the biz are killing it wth all these other claims and I dont want to get screamed at if my name is connected to it.

[B of VA]

I see why this is such a concern for you. Maybe there is someone, someone you can trust, that you can talk to about what is happening (a need to stop the claims). And print out the Monavie approved claims and hand out to people working in your downline.

http://www.blackdiamonduniversity.com/training-home.asp

You can get this information here.



I have since learned that the lab that did the men's health (and FT's test) is connected with the unknown drinks that were compared in the test. I also learned that Dr. Schauss is not connected with the acai supplied to Monavie, he is the researcher of the acai. So this could be a conflict of interest for that lab to have tested for men's health since it was actually connected to the supply source of those hardly known drinks that were compared to Monavie.

[surferdude]

Originally Posted by B of VA

I have since learned that the lab that did the men's health (and FT's test) is connected with the unknown drinks that were compared in the test.

What unknown drinks? How do they test unknown drinks?

Originally Posted by B of VA

I also learned that Dr. Schauss is not connected with the acai supplied to Monavie, he is the researcher of the acai. So this could be a conflict of interest for that lab to have tested for men's health since it was actually connected to the supply source of those hardly known drinks that were compared to Monavie.

Huh??? Sorry, no idea what you mean. But anyway didnt the study Schauss did (hes the AIBMR guy right?) showed that Monavie had low ORAC/antioxidants? What about the 22.8 ORAC score when everyone has been saying that it has an ORAC of 1027?

[B of VA]

The unknowns were juices no one has heard of, not actually unknown, just not known. And of course those juices that no one is buying far out tested Monavie. It was a joke.

The ORAC that Monavie has talked about and is on brochures like from http://www.acaitools.com is clearly about fresh acai. I don't want to get into the fresh argument again but I expect much more from Monavie and it delivers.

It is hard to talk about Monavie and make any sense, we can't tell you how much better we feel and how much faster we recover from sports and we don't understand the science of nutrition so all we can talk about is the business and the cars and trips. Meanwhile, I just quietly drink Monavie and get the benefit and encourage others to try it too.

[tina92921]

I printed out the Monavie's AIBMR report and showed it to the dietician that works in my building. She kept it quite a while and compared the Monavie results with the Orac table from the u.s.d.a. She said pretty much the same thing that food tech did. According to what Dr. Schausses tests showed, Monavie only has 1.48 mg of phenolics, which are the antioxidants. She pointed out a lot of fruits and vegetables and even juices that actually have more antioxidants. She said if Monavies servings were 8 ounces a day instead of 4 ounces, it would be up there with most of the juices.
Theres no way people are going to pay to drink 8 ounces a day!
This SUCKS!!

[tina92921]

I printed out the Monavie's AIBMR report and showed it to the dietician that works in my building. She kept it quite a while and compared the Monavie results with the Orac table from the u.s.d.a. She said pretty much the same thing that food tech did. According to what Dr. Schausses tests showed, Monavie only has 1.48 mg of phenolics, which are the antioxidants. She pointed out a lot of fruits and vegetables and even juices that actually have more antioxidants. She said if Monavies servings were 8 ounces a day instead of 4 ounces, it would be up there with most of the juices.
Theres no way people are going to pay to drink 8 ounces a day!
This SUCKS!!

[Sirrell]

work with Monavie.. I'm also under the impression (not sure where I've heard it, maybe from the Dr. Schauss CD?) that we use his patent to freeze dry the berry after picking..
Am I wrong here?
If Dr. Schauss is not affliated with Monavie then why is he always at the conventions...besides selling his books.
Thanks
Sirrell

[tina92921]

Apparently Dr. Schauss is the director of AIBMR life sciences in Puyallup, Wash. Monavie had him test the product. He's supposed to be an expert on acai. The dietician said that from what shee reads from the Monavie website the freeze dried acai has an orac of 1027, but that doesn't mean Monavie has the same. It depends on how much acai is actually put in the bottle. Dr. Schausses report listed the orac of Monavie at 22.81!? That sure got diluted didn't it? If antioxidants are so damn low, why don't we just stop advertising that it has alot. I don't want to lie to people.

[Sirrell]

It never said that was the Monavie just the friut. I think if folks are assuming that, then that is wrong info.
This is the handout I got from here awhile ago.. I show this to people but never say that Monave has 1027 orac just the Acai comparison.

[tina92921]

Thanks for the info sheet. But I'm confused. It said that the acai berry has a orac of 1026. The video I saw with Dr. Schauss said the freeze dried acai powder had a orac of 1027. The pwder isn't the berry. Even so, like the dietician told me, the orac score of the Monavie is all that counts and it was 22.81

[rowland]

Originally Posted by Sirrell

work with Monavie.. I'm also under the impression (not sure where I've heard it, maybe from the Dr. Schauss CD?) that we use his patent to freeze dry the berry after picking..
Am I wrong here?
If Dr. Schauss is not affliated with Monavie then why is he always at the conventions...besides selling his books.
Thanks
Sirrell

Dr. Schauss is listed on the monavie.com site as being a member of their medical advisory board. I don't know if that is a paid position, but I agree, every meeting I have been to has tied him very closely to the company.

Also, the freeze drying process is not patented. A patent was applied for, but was rejected by the patent and trade office.

[B of VA]

The patent has neither been finally rejected nor allowed. It is still pending before the USPTO. The patent application should soon be acted on. A response to the first action was filed at the beginning of March 2009. We await the next action, if it is finally rejected it may be over. But not until then.

And all the meetings you've been to, how was he tied very closely to the company. He is the researcher of the acai. I'm calling you out. Please explain what you mean by "he has been tied very closely to the company." Do you have any idea all the things he is involved in. He is fighting for labeling of food as our food becomes more stepped on and modified. Tell us about all the meetings you've been to and exactly what you mean.

[rowland]

Originally Posted by B of VA

I'm calling you out...Tell us about all the meetings you've been to and exactly what you mean.

Regarding my meaning, and you 'calling me out', in the first tasting party I attended, Dr. Schauss' name was mentioned and displayed prominently. Every tasting party I have attended since then (mine and others) has had Dr. Schauss' AIMBR test results prominently available as supporting marketing material.

Dr. Schauss is scheduled to speak at the Dallas meeting this coming weekend as well as the New York regional meeting in June. He was specifically mentioned in the Anaheim regional meeting in January, when Jeff Graham(VP of product management - Monavie) discussed the formation of the Monavie Scientific Advisory Board. He is listed on the Monavie website, with a photo, in that capacity. http://www.monavie.com/Web/US/en/sci...ry_board.dhtml

Incidentally, the same Jeff Graham formed a business with Ken Murdock and Dr. Schauss called K2A in 2001. Ken Murdock and Dr. Schauss are two of the names on the patent application discussed, and K2A is the company that came up with the OptiAcai freeze drying process.
http://www.buildthejuice.com/pdfs/jeff_graham.pdf

His book, "Science of a Superfruit", which is available at the Monavie mall, bears the Monavie branding on the cover. That is not an outright statement of direct association with the company, but it's enough to have tasting party attendees ask me if he is employed by Monavie.
http://monavieonthemove.com/new-sale...-monavie-mall/

I have contacted the company to get more clarification on the companies official statement regarding Dr. Schauss' position, and have not heard back yet. I will be visiting the corporate office in Sandy, UT in a few weeks, and have the same question in my list of questions needing clarification. I will post those answers when I get a response.

Regarding your attitude toward me, I am not sure why you feel compelled to jump down my throat for providing FACTUAL experiences and information in a growing sea of distributor and detractor misinformation. Perhaps you can explain?

[B of VA]

I hope you understand that just tonight the link to this blog was posted on an anti-monavie site, where people spend energy trying to hurt our access to the drink (no not PH, another one). You joined after it was posted and you made statements that sound critical. Dr. Schauss is the researcher and of course his body of work was used for Monavie. You forget he is also speaking this weekend in Anaheim. So are other people.

http://www.blackdiamonduniversity.co...nza.asp?bhcp=1

I think focusing on Dr. Schauss (like the anti-Monaviers do) is a waste of time and creativity. I still am not sure what your point is anyway. I hope you can get to Utah.

[tina92921]

I agree with B of VA. I really don't give a rats behind about the history of Dr. Schauss and acai. I am interested in the orac score of Monavie. The 1027 orac of the freeze dried acai doesn't mean anything if the Monavie score is only 22.8. We can't just say, but look at all the other great things about Monavie because we promote the orac and the antioxidants so heavily. How can we claim that Monavie has the antioxidant equivalent of 13 fruits when all of the fruits that food tech listed on the ph site had so much more? And the dietician I talked to confirmed this. These are professionals. I talked to my husband and we are seriously thinking about getting out of this business before the roof comes crashing down.

[Sirrell]

more energy, better disposition, less neck pain...so whatever it is it sure helps me.....I do hope someone brings up the Orac difference tho to Dr. Schauss or someone in Corp...